Obama: Great President or The Greatest President?

[Aza]

Obama: Great President or the Greatest President?

[Hadrax]

Fuck him and his communist party. <3

[Aza]

I made an option for you!

[Hadrax]

lol <3

[Hadrax]

I'm severely outnumbered in DaKor - i think myself and one other are "republicans" what ever the hell that is anymore...


WTB DaKor Conservative Thread! (inc flame)

[SuchIsLife]

Politics aside, has anyone else noticed he talks a lot.

You need a poll option for OMG he interupted what i was watching on TV because it happens way too often. Bush may have been dumb but at least I could watch tv in peace.

[Hadrax]

Politics aside, has anyone else noticed he talks a lot.

You need a poll option for OMG he interupted what i was watching on TV because it happens way too often. Bush may have been dumb but at least I could watch tv in peace.

Yes actually.

Grounds for immediate assassination?

Yes, i think so.

[SuchIsLife]

Well i doubt Biden would talk nearly as much but we wouldn't have tv for atleast a year with all the news coverage on it. See, I live in Florida and I never have to wait more than 10 minutes while watching the news to see what Kaysee Anthony had for breakfast and all she did was kill her daughter and blaime a non-existing spanish nanny.

However seeing what happens to the guy who shoots the first black president would make for some pretty good tv.

[Hadrax]

Well i doubt Biden would talk nearly as much but we wouldn't have tv for atleast a year with all the news coverage on it. See, I live in Florida and I never have to wait more than 10 minutes while watching the news to see what Kaysee Anthony had for breakfast and all she did was kill her daughter and blaime a non-existing spanish nanny.

However seeing what happens to the guy who shoots the first black president would make for some pretty good tv.

Especially when the shooter winds up being black.

[Coldwynd]

I'm severely outnumbered in DaKor - i think myself and one other are "republicans" what ever the hell that is anymore...


WTB DaKor Conservative Thread! (inc flame)

Oh, there are a couple of us conservatives / libertarians floating around here :D
Unfortunately, neither major political party has nominated a true conservative since 1984.

http://msp249.photobucket.com/albums/gg213/limerick_hooligan/oldschool.jpg

Can we get a "I miss Ronald Reagan" option Aya :D

*Ducks from the incoming flames*

[Aza]

i would but then i would have to add in another option to balance it, like "Jesus 'Obama' Christ, Our Lord & Savior". i think it is safer to keep it to 2 pro, 2 neutral, 2 against. 2 good, 2 neutral, 2 evil.

[Coldwynd]

i would but then i would have to add in another option to balance it, like "Jesus 'Obama' Christ, Our Lord & Savior". i think it is safer to keep it to 2 pro, 2 neutral, 2 against. 2 good, 2 neutral, 2 evil.

That's okay, long has it been foretold that the Reagan would return following the dark days :D:D:D:D

Hey, Obama can't be all bad, he settled the whole Ninja v Pirate debate once an for all :D

[SuchIsLife]

i would but then i would have to add in another option to balance it, like "Jesus 'Obama' Christ, Our Lord & Savior". i think it is safer to keep it to 2 pro, 2 neutral, 2 against. 2 good, 2 neutral, 2 evil.


true i would say Talks to much on TV falls pretty close to meh and if you don't like his politics you can vote negative.

[Foxlarocks]

ULDUAR

[Leiran]

Obama is a socialist, but I dont blame him. Hes just doing what a socialist does.

The blame rests soley on the republican party for not providing a better alternative than McCain..


Cant wait for all you dumbasses who thought "change" was a good idea to realize what we had wasnt that bad when that dipshit makes it a whole lot worse.


F obama, and f the 2 party bullshit system we're fucked over with.

We need Reagan.. raise him from the dead, clone him, something.

[Scarhead]

I'm severely outnumbered in DaKor - i think myself and one other are "republicans" what ever the hell that is anymore...


WTB DaKor Conservative Thread! (inc flame)


All right hand here!

Obama Bin Ladin is the most stuipid President we have ever had. <-------notice the period.

[ferigord]

http://14.media.tumblr.com/oaDQWwRAbm98xg3mZqG8JbV2o1_500.jpg

[Tryst]

And you guys all see much of a difference between Bush and Obama?

And I'm sorry, Reagan a true conservative? Just because he spoke like one most of the time, does not make it true. Just look at the size of government between when he entered and when he left. Both parties are pro-government statists, they only differ slightly in the how they're going to expand.

[Notabear]

BLAH BLAH BLAH

MY POLITICS ARE BETTER THAN YOURS.

MY VIEWS ARE THE ONLY VIEWS.

IMPEACH ALL OTHERS.





BIG TEXT IS WIN.

[bralan]

I didn't dig this up, someone emailed it to me. Anyway, it's an interesting Quote

Norman Matton Thomas (November 20, 1884 - December 19, 1968) was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America. He was ordained as a Presbyterian minister in 1911. As a candidate for President of the U. S., Norman Thomas said, in a 1944 epoch speech: "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism", they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." He went on to say: "I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform."

[Frostbolt]

http://14.media.tumblr.com/oaDQWwRAbm98xg3mZqG8JbV2o1_500.jpg

If you made that graph, then you fail. You should never use raw numbers, they're misleading.

Oh but anyway, I'm not a huge fan with all of his ideas, and I hate how if you disagree with anything at all he does you're instantly labeled as a racist. Grats retarded country.

[Radaj]

Where's the graph of how many US citizens were held hostage by pirates, per president?

Honestly, look at unemployment rates in your own area of the country, and try to find a reasonable backing for the economic changes Obama and Co. are making to suggest that there is relief coming for them.

[Aza]

pretty picture (http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5927/wallstatsdatlarge.jpg)

[Coldwynd]

On a side note, Obama's pirate kills are no where near as good as Jefferson or Madison. Both had actual wars against the Barbary Pirates in North Africa. They'd be laughing that Obama only killed 3 :D

First Barbary War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War)
Second Barbary War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War) (while it doesn't list any dead pirates 500 captured pirates is nothing to sneeze at)

Of course, it is early in his four year term, he could attempt to rival

[Elros]

pretty picture (http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5927/wallstatsdatlarge.jpg)

haha i like that aya. i really like the part where it says "federal tax dollars". kind of means they own it. should say "my goddamn money they take from me"

Elros

PS. yep im a bitter white male, work 2 fulltime jobs to pay for school because i cant get financial aid yet some fat bitch sitting on the couch eating cheetos can smokes cigs and walk 2 feet to a mailbox to pick up a paycheck. :mad: should make her fatass lose weight by living on ramon noodles and peanut butter like i have before /endrant

[Ogmuk]

Why is anything different from conservatism called socialism? Try liberalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands)!

[Notabear]

I support the WIGS. Fuck your 2 party system.

[Radaj]

Why is anything different from conservatism called socialism? Try liberalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands)!

Admittedly, the label hasn't always been accurate, however it does seem to parallel a lot of what is going on lately. On one hand, you have people legitimately paying their mortgages for their homes. On the other hand, it seems we're taxing the first group to make up the differences for the people who miscalculated and are in over their heads. I understand that there's a huge number of people who are in this position because of layoffs and whatnot, but I do not see the current fiscal policy as one that is going to help.

Oh, and Nota, do you mean the Whigs?

[Faticus]

cool hawhip

[Kerthud]

I'll qoute my Historical Perspectives teacher

"US GOV=80%Capitalist+17%socialist(and growing!)+3%other".

Imagine 100% capitalist, eeek.

[Radaj]

Imagine 100% capitalist, eeek.

Darwinism at its finest, IMO.

[Runihura]

Don't let below average IQs reproduce, lots of problems solved.

And build Starships!! How many problems did you ever see on Star Trek.

[Elros]

i wasnt bashing him persay. shits not been different in years, just a new face to put with it is all :hmm:

Elros

[Tryst]

80% capitalist? I would love to see his definition of capitalist. I would argue the US has not been anywhere close to 80% capitalist since at least 1913 and probably a bit earlier. And even if you want to say that after the creation of the Fed the US was 80+% capitalist, I don't see how you're going to get that far post-FDR and his wonderful stretching of the Great Depression for 10+ years.

And Ogmuk, you know political terms are very different between the US and Europe. European liberals are not really American Democrats.

[Coldwynd]

And Ogmuk, you know political terms are very different between the US and Europe. European liberals are not really American Democrats.

My wife (and I know others) have this misconception about the US Democratic party and US defined liberalism versus its classical meaning.

Classical Liberalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism) v American Liberalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_American_liberalism)

And while I'm posting links, one of my favorite sites is http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html (of which I often link). If you are American and have not read the US Constitution, you absolutely should (it isn't that long).

Personally, I consider myself a classical liberal (though I typically label myself conservative / libertarian). I strongly believe in limited/minimal government, a laizzez-faire government attitude towards private industry, and personal freedom.

[Ogmuk]

And Ogmuk, you know political terms are very different between the US and Europe. European liberals are not really American Democrats.
Correct, socialism has a very different meaning everywhere else as well. If the Democrats are socialists then I must live a communistic country. The Democrats are still right wing (on European scale), just 'less right' than Republicans.

[Tankeld]

i would but then i would have to add in another option to balance it, like "Jesus 'Obama' Christ, Our Lord & Savior". i think it is safer to keep it to 2 pro, 2 neutral, 2 against. 2 good, 2 neutral, 2 evil.

STOP SUBLIMININIALIZING MY BRAIN

[Aza]

STOP SUBLIMININIALIZING MY BRAIN

dang, now it's not subliminal anymore =(

[Kerthud]

80% capitalist? I would love to see his definition of capitalist. I would argue the US has not been anywhere close to 80% capitalist since at least 1913 and probably a bit earlier.


His definition i think is the direct dictionary version or close, i think.

Also the whole democrat=Socalist, is really demo=/=soc, although i would have to take a keynesian view (economic view) towards the gov right now rather than a classical (regarded by most Repubs).

[Papa]

Politics suck

I'm no Obama fan.
Nor am I a Bush fan.

Unfortunately, the most qualified people to run this country never will because of all the BS their lives and their family member's lives will have to endure. This is why we get 2 bit rookies who get elected because they are the media's darling, or they are put into office because of who they know or who they blow (someone's kid, someone who's connected, someone with an agenda or friends in high places... aka corrupt).


As long as alcohol and sex is not illegal,
God Bless America
http://msp249.photobucket.com/albums/gg213/limerick_hooligan/oldschool.jpg
I wish we could dig up old Ronnie to fix things, too.
Zombie Ronnie FTW

[Gynon]

Average president so far. Good in some areas, terrible in others, such as national security. The United States will definitely suffer another terrorist attack while he is in office. His handling of the CIA has been absolutely terrible. I also strongly disagree with his ban on enhanced interrogation. He needs to realize the people being "interrogated" aren't human. They are animals and should be treated as such. Obama comes off as soft.

[Anhur]

Voted for Nader '08 because I "had" to vote. Wish there was a garbage option or something that says "you voted, good for you" then tosses it in a hobo's can-fire.

[Ogmuk]

The United States will definitely suffer another terrorist attack while he is in office.
Statiscly speaking I would be surprised if it didn't happen no matter who the President is:
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/5902.htm

[Levidian]

Statiscly speaking I would be surprised if it didn't happen no matter who the President is:
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/5902.htm

Gynon was talking about a "major" terrorist attack I assume.

[Tryst]

Yes, because Bush obviously protected the USA from terrorists, instead of just giving those people easier targets closer to home. I'm sure Homeland Security is the reason we haven't had another 3k dead. Then again, I'd be interested in seeing how many extra people die because we attempted to print our way out of a recession, we continue to enact more and more regulation and social nets to somehow protect people, all the while continuing to work on America's little empire and running a nice, big deficit.

Of course, I'm sure the terrorists only ever would dare target the US because of its freedom and liberty. Not because we spend decades in these countries messing with their lives, not because we helped them get themselves killed against Saddam, the USSR, or other groups, warlords, and nations. Perhaps the easiest way to stop being a target for terrorists is to stop killing people in terrorist nations who had nothing to really do with it in the first place? Perhaps it is to stop going over to other nations, treating them like shit, and then expecting them to be good little American sycophants.

While I most definitely do not support Obama, nor do I believe his policies are going to work, I find calling him soft on terrorists relatively laughable. How many major terrorist attacks occurred on US soil prior to the first Persian Gulf War, which most likely was entirely preventable anyways? And then, I also have the worry that what can be used against others can be used against oneself. For instance, the executive powers taken by the Bush administration and cheered on by Republicans now are too much when it is a Democrat who holds them. This cycle repeats itself and probably will again, unless there is an actual plan to be different among Republicans, since I doubt a third party will garner enough support to actually make a run. But I can hope, can't I? Maybe I'll run as an anarchist.

[Gynon]

So why would you fuel the world more by releasing classified memo after memo describing CIA officials torturing prisoners, as if the entire world doesn't do the same thing. I'm sure when American troops are captured they get served chicken dinners and wine. It just doesn't make sense that the President keeps releasing memo's making it seem like the CIA is made up of monsters and showing the world how evil the United States is.

[SuchIsLife]

Perhaps the easiest way to stop being a target for terrorists is to stop killing people in terrorist nations who had nothing to really do with it in the first place? Perhaps it is to stop going over to other nations, treating them like shit, and then expecting them to be good little American sycophants.

America, FUCK YEAH!

[Kerthud]

I find it more interesting that we fund other Nation's wars.


Truman Doctrine<-----

America = National Police (Perspectivly by many presidents)

As for the whole terror thing, prolly since our government just loves saying, "YOUR VIEW IS WRONG, MY VIEW IS RIGHT, (war happens), WHAT NOW, WHAT NOW, YA, NOW WHOS RIGHT!"

Ow and the US doesn't like independent countries who aren't like the US.

[Tryst]

Gynon, I simply have doubts that the release of how the CIA or whoever tortured a some people is going to create a new and more sinister backlash than already exists. Most people have known or heard that the US tortures prisoners starting back in Abu Ghraib in 2004 or so. Then we had the sites in other countries, the waterboarding, the defense of waterboarding by Cheney which continues to this day, I just don't see the release of how the US waterboarded a couple guys 250 some odd times is going to suddenly be the spark that starts a renewed fight. They already have plenty to be pissed about without worrying about specifics.

Sure, could this be added on to the list giving it more specifics? Certainly. But I'm kind of doubtful terrorist organizations are going to get that specific in their denunciations of America, rather than simply putting down how America has tortured thousands of people, gotten thousands killed in Iraq, left Afghanistan as soon as the Soviets were beaten, leaving the Afghanis to pick up the rubble, etc. etc.

And before anyone comes in here and calls me some Arab sympathizer, I do not condone any of the terrorist actions conducted by...well, anyone. But at the same time, I do not believe that they are acting against the US because of our freedom or jealousy, but instead as a reaction to policies and actions taken by the US.

[Coldwynd]

An interesting report that came out today. I'll let you judge it for yourselves

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46949

The point of the report (gleaned from information release about the CIA by the Obama administration) is that Khalid Sheik Mohammed was waterboarded. The result was that he revealed information about a planned 9/11 style attack on Los Angeles and the location of the cell that was suppose to carry out the attack. This information led to the cell's leader being captured and the thwarting of this planned attack.

This is very much "means v outcome" question. The means was waterboarding an Al Qaeda top official versus the outcome of thwarting a second 9/11 attack on Los Angeles.

[Wanton]

I have to agree with Gynon. While I applaud Obama's stance on dealing with Pakistan, this new water-boarding ordeal is completely sad. He obviously knows the scenario but is playing the popular vote card by not sticking up for past actions. Furthermore, the information gained from those 'detainees' shouldn't be shared with the public. Why would we feed everyone our own intel? Realize this isn't happy-happy land and there's a reason why great leaders still read The Art of War, twenty five hundred years later!

Quite simply, what and how the CIA operates isn't the business of the general public. Hampering our ability to protect ourselves should be one of the last ideas on our agenda. The release of the documents is totally a politically (aka TV popularity these days) motivated front to try and push more blame to a prior Administration. Let's focus on new shit and stop wasting time and money on stuff that actually saved American lives.

Z

[Scarhead]

Obama and his administration is like 3 or 4 school girls bickering amongst each other, constantly attacking the former administation and making OUR country look bad to the rest of the world just to make themselves look good! Because the American people want CHANGE! Change what? Change the best country in the world that has the longest political running in history? I understand that as time marches on that we will need to tweak the laws and rules as a whole, but, OUR forefathers knew what was up, this one administration (current) can and will turn this County in certain directions that we will never recover from IMO! All for the price of CHANGE! LMAO Most of the American people aren't just idiots, they have no clue to what is to come. I will be shocked if Obama is still alive by the end of his TERM! He has no respect for this Country at all!

[Gynon]

Well, the problem is now the Bush administration officials who green lighted the use of enhanced interrogation procedures might get prosecuted because of it. So I think he was a damn idiot for releasing those memos.

[Scarhead]

Well, the problem is now the Bush administration officials who green lighted the use of enhanced interrogation procedures might get prosecuted because of it. So I think he was a damn idiot for releasing those memos.


Again, like I said, he (Obama) has no respect for this Country!

[Scarhead]

On a side note, have you ever noticed that Obama always says uhh at least 1 or 2 times every sentence? Sometimes 4 or 5 times, I cant believe the American people elected this Dumbass for President.

75% of the voters aged 18-25 voted for Obama because he knew how to use a Blackberry, lol

[Tankeld]

http://www.optimist123.com/.a/6a00d83451c0c869e20105364bbb0c970c-400wi

Someone photoshop this shit, quickly.

[Tryst]

So Gynon, you believe torture is perfectly acceptable. I completely and unequivocally disagree for a number of reasons. First, it is against the law as it violates a persons' rights. Second, the information gained from torture is commonly useless and wrong. The tortured often say what they think the torturer wants to hear. Third, once you allow the government to begin torturing one group, you have lost any real defense to allowing the government to torture other groups. Typically under a Republican administration, left wing groups are made out as enemies, under a Democrat right wing, and if you let the government begin torturing, it will not stop with one or two terrorist leaders. Once a government gains a power to do something, it will fight tooth and nail to retain that power and expand it. One need only look at the history of the US government, especially post-Civil War.

Now, the argument that because we supposedly discovered a plot with torture, therefore torture is good is not very good logic either. It is based on the assumption that under no other circumstance would we have been able to discover this plot and that this plot was in fact a real plot and not just a potential brain child, something that torture often does net as the tortured attempts to please. Finally, I would argue that losing another 3-5 thousand people in a terrorist attack is better than giving the government the ability to torture those it is able to demonize and ignore the rights of. As horrible as losing the three thousand plus on 9/11 was, how does it justify the deaths of many times that number of innocent civilians, just because they're not American? Or that more Americans have died attempting to extract so called justice than died in the actual attack.

As for prosecution, yes, I believe they should be prosecuted. No government official or representative should ever have immunity or safety for what they do in office or while representing the government, not politicians, not police, not judges, no one. If they choose to ignore the law and perform criminal actions, they need to be held accountable for their actions before a jury. Do I think it'll really happen? Probably not, the government tends to protect its own.

[Coldwynd]

Now, the argument that because we supposedly discovered a plot with torture, therefore torture is good is not very good logic either. It is based on the assumption that under no other circumstance would we have been able to discover this plot and that this plot was in fact a real plot and not just a potential brain child, something that torture often does net as the tortured attempts to please. Finally, I would argue that losing another 3-5 thousand people in a terrorist attack is better than giving the government the ability to torture those it is able to demonize and ignore the rights of. As horrible as losing the three thousand plus on 9/11 was, how does it justify the deaths of many times that number of innocent civilians, just because they're not American? Or that more Americans have died attempting to extract so called justice than died in the actual attack.


I tend to agree with you Tryst. I presented the report as an interesting read. I firmly fall on the side of the means do not justify the ends. Nor do I agree with using Iraq as a proxy of the US for terrorist who want to attack the US (which I firmly believe was one of the reasons - unstated - that we went into Iraq). Personally, I do not want the US using "enhanced interrogation" techniques.

Many on the right will point to that report and say "see, look what we prevented." Likewise, the left will point to that report and say "look what we've become." On 9/12/01 though, I'm glad I didn't have to make the decision of waterboarding terrorist leaders versus watching planes (or worse) fly into Los Angeles, Boston, or Miami.

This is a link to an image showing the 2nd explosion at the WTC. It is still very hard to look at and I decided to link to it instead of posting it directly in the thread.
http://www.nocaptionneeded.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/wtc-9-11.jpg
On 9/12, George Bush woke up having to make sure this never happened again. I don't condone everything he did, I certainly understand why he did them.

[Foxlarocks]

Wow 3 pages... you've created a monster. canada ftw.

[Wanton]

Against the law to torture captured enemy combatants? Are we now binding everyone to the Geneva Convention because I seem to recall several other people not signing up for that!

Torture has been used for thousands of years, to write it off as an non-effective source of intelligence gathering would be very short sighted. Granting torture rights really becomes an issue because of the chance of corruption. The possibility that the Government would abuse that power really scares people out of being practical and thus this never ending debate on the morality of torture. I don't think anyone here has the motivation or desire to argue another 10 pages to a stand still.

In my opinion, they'd (terrorists in general) do it to Americans in half a heartbeat. Some may want to comment with the typical "Take the higher road.." response, but to those people I will say, do some time in a real combat zone and tell me if it's worth the trade off.

Z

[Gynon]

I am for it if the military/gov't believes the prisoner is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of being a terrorist.

[Scarhead]

So Gynon, you believe torture is perfectly acceptable. I completely and unequivocally disagree for a number of reasons. First, it is against the law as it violates a persons' rights. Second, the information gained from torture is commonly useless and wrong. The tortured often say what they think the torturer wants to hear. Third, once you allow the government to begin torturing one group, you have lost any real defense to allowing the government to torture other groups. Typically under a Republican administration, left wing groups are made out as enemies, under a Democrat right wing, and if you let the government begin torturing, it will not stop with one or two terrorist leaders. Once a government gains a power to do something, it will fight tooth and nail to retain that power and expand it. One need only look at the history of the US government, especially post-Civil War.

Now, the argument that because we supposedly discovered a plot with torture, therefore torture is good is not very good logic either. It is based on the assumption that under no other circumstance would we have been able to discover this plot and that this plot was in fact a real plot and not just a potential brain child, something that torture often does net as the tortured attempts to please. Finally, I would argue that losing another 3-5 thousand people in a terrorist attack is better than giving the government the ability to torture those it is able to demonize and ignore the rights of. As horrible as losing the three thousand plus on 9/11 was, how does it justify the deaths of many times that number of innocent civilians, just because they're not American? Or that more Americans have died attempting to extract so called justice than died in the actual attack.

As for prosecution, yes, I believe they should be prosecuted. No government official or representative should ever have immunity or safety for what they do in office or while representing the government, not politicians, not police, not judges, no one. If they choose to ignore the law and perform criminal actions, they need to be held accountable for their actions before a jury. Do I think it'll really happen? Probably not, the government tends to protect its own.


I know that I don't know you very well Tryst, but I totally disagree with you, you left wing advocates always trying to protect the enemies till it happens to one of your loved ones!

Imagine for once if 9/11 included your wife, husban, kids, friends, loved ones, mother, father, brother, daughter. These terrorist people are mass murderers.

This is the worst presidential admin. in history IMO. The whole Obama family is stupid, He shakes enemies hands, she hugs a Queen (lol) they give mp3 players to kings as a present (lmao) and now they want to prosicute former goverment officials for saving more American lives, I guess this is a good example of how everyone is different and has different beliefs, personally I say torture them all for any info., and then the simple term of Kill them all, comes to my mind. I know its harsh and barbaric but to me better the enemy than American citizens.

If this left wing approach continues, we won't even have organizations such as the CIA, FBI, and such forth. There members will be to afraid to do there jobs.

[Seiga]

I know that I don't know you very well Tryst, but I totally disagree with you, you left wing advocates always trying to protect the enemies till it happens to one of your loved ones!

Imagine for once if 9/11 included your wife, husban, kids, friends, loved ones, mother, father, brother, daughter. These terrorist people are mass murderers.

This is the worst presidential admin. in history IMO. The whole Obama family is stupid, He shakes enemies hands, she hugs a Queen (lol) they give mp3 players to kings as a present (lmao) and now they want to prosicute former goverment officials for saving more American lives, I guess this is a good example of how everyone is different and has different beliefs, personally I say torture them all for any info., and then the simple term of Kill them all, comes to my mind. I know its harsh and barbaric but to me better the enemy than American citizens.

If this left wing approach continues, we won't even have organizations such as the CIA, FBI, and such forth. There members will be to afraid to do there jobs.

These are the reasons why politics and gaming should never exist in this guild! ESPECIALLY COMMENTS LIKE THIS. IRC is already bad as it is with it, and it severely disgusts me.


~Seiga.

[Ogmuk]

Yep, I'm with Tens. Comments like those makes me uncomfortable knowing I'm in the guild with extremists. Apparently not everyone can keep the discussion at an intelligent level, so let's just not discuss politics at all, alright?

[Gynon]

What severely disgusts you?

[Scarhead]

Yep, I'm with Tens. Comments like those makes me uncomfortable knowing I'm in the guild with extremists. Apparently not everyone can keep the discussion at an intelligent level, so let's just not discuss politics at all, alright?


Ok, since I can't keep an intelligent discussion with you all (meaning I'm not intellegent) I will not post on these forums again!

I will say this in closing though, we (America) was attacked with intent to kill, they hit not only the world trade center, but also the pentagon, and the forth jet was going toward the whitehouse! To me this is WAR! The Bush Admin. had to decide in a swift manner as to how to handle this huge problem and for the most part I believe they did a very good job.

In closing my final post I'll also say that I am also against war , murder, terror, bullying, or any other conflicting situation! But till there is no more conflict in the world there has to be some kind of punishment for those kind of actions!

Edit: I didn't mean kill them all as in kill all of a particular race but as in any organized group that is killing innocent people because of a conflict of a religious belief.

[Seiga]

What severely disgusts you?

The fact that there are topics on IRC, political, that can get too "extreme"

~Seiga

[Cazzeo]

Ok, since I can't keep an intelligent discussion with you all (meaning I'm not intellegent) I will not post on these forums again!


Should just keep in mind that Da`Kor is a large guild with many members and a long history. This means, statistically, the political views of its members likely run the gamut from conservative to liberal and every flavor in between. Out of respect for the tag, if for no other reason, it's best to refrain (on either side) from implying that any one range of the political spectrum is filled with idiots, as doing so likely insults/alienates a significant percentage of people.

Get a lot more mileage out of presenting your views and providing support for those arguments rather than disparaging the views of others and approaching the problem from a negative perspective. (i.e. "I support the conservative position and here's why" goes a lot farther than "obama is the worst president in history"). One way might get leftists to entertain your arguments. The latter approach won't do anything except cause hackles to rise.

And Tryst as a leftist advocate. Lol, I about spewed Mountain Dew into my screen. Clearly you're right that you don't know him :p

[Seiga]

Ok, since I can't keep an intelligent discussion with you all (meaning I'm not intellegent) I will not post on these forums again!



Scarhead, you're a great player there's no doubt about that. You, Levi, and Fati are fantastic at what you do as a hunter class. But in this discussion, there's just too many Obama attacks to be had.

What i'm more shocked is how this thread is turning out to be among everyone else. Ayania, let's be honest here, If I created a thread like this over a year ago, there would only be a one word reply from you that I would get.

"Stupid."

And it is exactly that. You will never get anything friendly out of politics.


~Seiga.

[Kerthud]

Well everyone is in a differnt stage of life having differnt beliefs, values, moral, ethics and ideals. We also live very different kinds of lifes. Ie some of us are in good situations some bad, some rich some poor, some open some closed perspectives. Politics allows everyone to have their own interpretation based off information and data that they have gathered or interpreted their own way, so much so that even multiple people seeing the same info will take it differently.

I take politics as a grain of salt and most people prolly should, politics shouldn't be discussed as though its a religion or such as im trying to force you to try my choice of beverage. It should be viewed more as "this is the kind of drink i chose", whats your view on it and what kind do you like.

When it gets down to it there is no black and white right or wrong perspective, too serious or not. Its all a huge combination of judgement calls and shades of gray.

Also scar I thought your post was interesting and you shouldn't quit posting cause some one has a differnt view then you or thinks your an "extreemist" beause in or for you to be an extreemest in their perspecitce they have obviously seen their side extreemests from their own perspective.

Also scar since I <3 you and you know it, you spelt intelligent wrong =P in your post.

Im sure I have alot of spelling errors and typos in this post since I typed it really fast without using shift to cap all my I's.

That being said i kind of see it from both perspectives, I think its wrong that Gov officials are being prosecuted for doing their job to prevent terrorism. Then again i go back to eye for an eye, if they were planning or did help in causing huge damage to innocent people fuck em. They deserve everything they got. Though i otherwise feel obama hasn't done anything huge wrong, gifts are gifts and him doing so generaly makes him look better. I mean think he was on one of the Night talk shows, which is a first of all the presidents. It seems like hes trying to be more of a "peoples president". As for me i have no linear perspective, though i apreciate so far all the good reads from posts as it is always nice to know how other people precieve things.

[Scarhead]

Also scar since I <3 you and you know it, you spelt intelligent wrong =P in your post.


LOL so I did. :cool:

Edit:= My apologies to anyone I may have offended, but I do take my country being attacked very serious and I don't feel there's no sitting down and talking with these guys (Taliban and Al Quada)! They are not human they are savages IMHO! <----------------- notice in MY opinion. I could go on but believe me I will not and you all have my word that I will not again touch on politics or religion. Again sorry for being so passionate about attacks on my country.

[Ashius]

being against torture does not make you left wing, which i believe tryst is not anyway.

[Coldwynd]

And Tryst as a leftist advocate. Lol, I about spewed Mountain Dew into my screen. Clearly you're right that you don't know him :p

If Tryst is a left wing advocate, I don't want to know what that makes me :D
Perhaps I'm the Che Gueavara to his Fidel Castro :D

[Kerthud]

That dead guy? Who convinced lots of young scholars to attempt to rebel against their governments and cost tons of young scholars their lives?

My opinion of Gueavara.

[Coldwynd]

That dead guy? Who convinced lots of young scholars to attempt to rebel against their governments and cost tons of young scholars their lives?

My opinion of Gueavara.

Sigh :rolleyes:
I deserve that for making jokes on the internet

[Kerthud]

I would prefer to think perhaps your Robin to his batman.

Im just not a fan of che, sorries. Was kinda a good joke tho.

[Cazzeo]

I would prefer to think perhaps your Robin to his batman.


Gary to his Ace?

[Aune]

personally I say torture them all for any info., and then the simple term of Kill them all, comes to my mind. I know its harsh and barbaric but to me better the enemy than American citizens.

I agree wholeheartedly since it's happening to random Muslims and not me. (sarcasm)

P.S. And Tens, honestly if everyone shied away from every 'sensitive' topic (political, religious, etc) then there would be nothing interesting to talk about.

[Vittra]

Scarhead, you're a great player there's no doubt about that.

hahahaha.

[Seiga]

I agree wholeheartedly since it's happening to random Muslims and not me. (sarcasm)

P.S. And Tens, honestly if everyone shied away from every 'sensitive' topic (political, religious, etc) then there would be nothing interesting to talk about.

I didn't say every SENSITIVE topic, I said Political and Gaming don't mix. People have opinions, I agree, but then people are fucking radical with some discussions that it just seems to be inappropriate. A few months ago, I was told by someone in IRC that some people even talked about Assassination?!?!? I mean, WTF are people seriously smoking... Joking or not, I really don't give a shit, that should never be a topic of discussion ever. It's vile, cruel, and pathetic.

There's sensitive topics.. and there are fucking morons that can't get their head out of their asses.


~Seiga.

[Coldwynd]

I didn't say every SENSITIVE topic,

Tens seems very sensitive about this topic :D

[Aza]

http://digg.com/d1ppID

[Ashius]

http://digg.com/d1ppID

this is huge!

[Frostbolt]

I'd just like to say, 90% of Americans believe disliking Obama for any reason at all makes you racist.

The end.

[Ashius]

I'd just like to say, 90% of Americans believe disliking Obama for any reason at all makes you racist.

The end.

ive never heard obama supporters mention racism

[Scarhead]

hahahaha.

Vittra, I have never thought of myself as a great player, but I would like to know why your laughing at that statement? In your opinion I'm a baddy?

[Aune]

Vittra, I have never thought of myself as a great player, but I would like to know why your laughing at that statement? In your opinion I'm a baddy?

hahahahahahahaha

[Radaj]

It's rather sad that people are so quick to dismiss politics as something that can't be discussed constructively. Scar had many valid points, but I think too often nowadays we're brought into some kind of mockery of a court on the terms of political correctness nowadays, and the expectation that follows that is either everyone comes to the same conclusion, or is somehow directly offending the person opposing their ideas. Simply put, you're always going to have people who disagree with your viewpoint, otherwise it's likely that it's much less a viewpoint, and much more a fact.

Furthermore, considering how it was very much the fault of the people for the flawed activities in both the Bush and Obama administrations, I find it far from productive for us to prohibit politics as a topic for discussion for fear of offending people. It can be an offensive topic, but refusing to talk about it altogether is essentially stating that you intend to continue to give Obama and the clowns in Congress the same free reign we'd given the Bush administration for years, and let them spin us into a more chaotic economic and international status.

PS - Whoever it was that mentioned that Obama had given the queen an MP3 player neglected to mention the collection of DVDs he gifted to another European head. The irony? They were coded for US DVD players.

[Coldwynd]

PS - Whoever it was that mentioned that Obama had given the queen an MP3 player neglected to mention the collection of DVDs he gifted to another European head. The irony? They were coded for US DVD players.

This is a plus. Now when Gordon Brown visits, he can bring them over to the Obama-pad and watch them. Additionally, on the next visit, I'm hoping Big O hands out an XBox360 to the Prime Minister, that way the two can play Rock Band over live. :D

gbrown_10dst is now on-line

CW

[Cazzeo]

This topic needs more fuel.

How's this?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.torture/index.html

[Wanton]

Because hippies don't believe in God of course.

[Kerthud]

Because hippies don't believe in God of course.

NOOOz!

politics + religion = BBBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDD