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Old 06-27-2009, 01:32 PM   #21
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Old 06-28-2009, 12:17 AM   #22
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I'm not sure if all those examples count as Imperialism. You gotta remember, those are major corporations pushing for those governments and they actually LIKE when war breaks out. There are 3 things going on in the U.S.

1) Capitalism. Huge corporations have taken this to mean they are all important. CACI, Titan, Bechtel, Aegis, Custer Battles, General Dynamics, Nour USA Ltd, Cobalt Corporation, the OM Group, Freeport-McMoRan, Haliburton, BlackWater, Kellogg Brown & Root, GlobalOptions Inc, New Bridge Strategies, Diligence LLC, Bearing Point Inc, BKSH & Associates, Lockheed Martin, Loral Satellite, and QUALCOMM, are some of the most blatant War Profiteering Companies out there. These companies make millions, if not billions, from the wars around the globe. They will fund rebel groups throughout the world in order to fuel wars for the soul purpose of keeping costs down. If a government gets too greedy, they fund the new rebels, which in most cases, they ousted in the first place.

2) World Government Plan. People in power, not just in the US, have been perpetuating this world government idea for a long time. They idea is to get every country to be the same government, so that they can be grouped together and run by a single group of people by passing laws in countries around the world to abolish borders and generalize currency. This leads to starting wars in other countries and ousting governments illegally. If you start seeing Open Societies closing down, this is why. You can't run a planet if people are allowed to dissent.

3) Control. Imperialism is out dated. Who cares if one country has expanded their reach around the world? The real trick is to get all the countries to rely on YOU. By sending coporations to other countries and establishing a cheaper work force, you get countries that depend on your companies for their very survival. China's main source of income, comes from American companies that have established factories in their country. These companies find that American wages are too high, so they pay the government of China to exploit their people as legal slave labor. We sell military grade weapons to countries like North Korea. This makes it so they HAVE to rely on us. Without us, they have no power. Without power, they have nothing. We have the control. We can reach around the world and imprison any idividual we want to using their own government, simply because if they don't allow us to, we cut them off. That's control.

These three things, are what you see throughout the world. Imperialists? I think not. Imperialism would only get in the way. One day, soon enough, they will conflict with each other and cause a HUGE powerstruggle within America, but for now, they just ruin the rest of the world.
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Old 06-28-2009, 11:47 AM   #23
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Yeah but our army is scattered all over the world protecting random countries, so we're pretty much defenseless anyway.
You're not big into the military and US capabilities are you? As for defenseless, how do you propose North Korea moves their military to put the US on the defensive?
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Old 06-28-2009, 06:45 PM   #24
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You're not big into the military and US capabilities are you? As for defenseless, how do you propose North Korea moves their military to put the US on the defensive?
THEY BUILD A GIANT BRIDGE OF DEATH ACROSS THE OCEAN.
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Old 06-28-2009, 07:40 PM   #25
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THEY BUILD A GIANT BRIDGE OF DEATH ACROSS THE OCEAN.


They tunnel UNDER the Earth! Then they can pop up in the White House lawn like groundhogs or Mole People and from there they can spring their dastardly attempt at World Domination, that is if James Bond doesn't get their first. This summer, its a showdown between Kim (James Earl Jones) and James (Daniel Craig) in:

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Directed by Uwe Boll.
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Old 06-28-2009, 09:34 PM   #26
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They tunnel UNDER the Earth! Then they can pop up in the White House lawn like groundhogs or Mole People and from there they can spring their dastardly attempt at World Domination, that is if James Bond doesn't get their first. This summer, its a showdown between Kim (James Earl Jones) and James (Daniel Craig) in:

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7ime.


Directed by Uwe Boll.
I would have hit the like button if this was a post on Tumblr.
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Old 06-29-2009, 08:18 AM   #27
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So off topic but saying this
Directed by Uwe Boll.
might just get you perma banned. That guy needs to die.

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Old 06-29-2009, 11:51 AM   #28
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. . . that was the joke?
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:37 PM   #29
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I know that was the joke. I was making a joke on your joke. I was essentially letting you know that someone got your joke cause not everyone knows how bad Uwe Boll is.

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Old 06-29-2009, 01:52 PM   #30
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Pfft, the only people who don't know that Uwe Boll sucks are Uwe Boll and his financiers.
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Old 06-29-2009, 03:28 PM   #31
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And how exactly is are those three things not imperialistic? I would disagree on the labeling of #1 as capitalistic as well, I would suggest the military industrial complex, as well as the healthcare and to an extent the financial industries are far more corporatist/fascist, but still, you're looking at the increasing of the state's power. As for one world government, do you really think the US doesn't believe they would either lead or have a huge share in the power? As for the third, reread the definition. It does not necessitate absolute control.
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Old 06-29-2009, 04:40 PM   #32
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And how exactly is are those three things not imperialistic? I would disagree on the labeling of #1 as capitalistic as well, I would suggest the military industrial complex, as well as the healthcare and to an extent the financial industries are far more corporatist/fascist, but still, you're looking at the increasing of the state's power. As for one world government, do you really think the US doesn't believe they would either lead or have a huge share in the power? As for the third, reread the definition. It does not necessitate absolute control.
Imperialism would suggest someone is actually trying to spread the American ideal to mulitple countries through a certain means, however, what you are referring to is not the spread of Americanism throughout the globe. If the powers in the United States had their way, NO ONE, not even America, would display any sort of American Democracy, or Freedom. We are an Open Society that is currently being slowly closed down. If we were Imperialistic, then EVERY country would be an Open Society and follow our design. Instead, they are trying to place puppet governments throughout the world that can be controlled, not to provide any of the American ideals and as such, these new "democracies" are not a democracy at all as they share no resemblance of any democracy what-so-ever. Does the DRC ring a bell? That is one of our so-called Imperialistic endeavors, you speak of and yet, that is simply a military ruled dictatorship under the premise of democracy. No, Imperialism is what England did. Spreading their kingdom throughout the world as it was in their home country. What we do is something all together different and far more sinister. We spread a foundation. That foundation is designed to be weak and easily removed. That foundational government is designed to follow the powers within the US, not the US. They are paving the way for an entirely new world government. That is not Imperialism.
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Old 06-29-2009, 07:09 PM   #33
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Ok, did you bother to read the definition of imperialism I posted a bit back? Where did you get your definition? Imperialism has nothing about having the same type of government or ideals or anything. It's about control.
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:22 PM   #34
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Ok, did you bother to read the definition of imperialism I posted a bit back? Where did you get your definition? Imperialism has nothing about having the same type of government or ideals or anything. It's about control.
By your definition, that would make everyone an Imperialist.
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Old 07-01-2009, 01:43 PM   #35
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Hardly.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:30 PM   #36
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Well, what kind of Imperialism are we discussing here? Economic, Political, Military, Cultural, or Communication?

Are you saying that the US is controlling other countries means of processing? I suppose Iraq would be the poster child for that argument, except that the resources of Iraq are under the control of Worldwide Corporations and not the American Government. Same goes for DNC.

Are you saying that the US is making decisions for other countries? Some nations around the globe model their entire government on the US. Others, we have given money and support to, just so they become Democratic. (Not that the US is a good example of a democracy >.< You may refer to Puppet Governments as a basis for an argument. These are not controlled by the US, rather, they are controlled by Corporations. If the government gives them problems, they just use rebel forces and oust them from power, thereby creating a new puppet government. Iraq is an excellent example of this and if the new government isn't forthcoming and reasonable with the resources, the corporations will fund the opposition and support the new government, regardless if it is Democratic or not. See Zaire.

If by saying that a country will abide by our terms or we will destroy them, that sounds like us. As a matter of fact, the simple fact that we invaded 2 consecutive countries because they wouldn't cooperate is a strong case for this. However, it doesn't always work. We also have complete say in some countries because we offer them complete protection, like Japan, which I might add we conned into starting a war with us just so we could take them over.

Are you saying that we control other countries' news outlets? Maybe, though the control of communication is out dated and pretty much a lost cause, as we can see from both Iran and Burma. Although, I suppose one could just shut down every communication tower, broadcast satellite, electricity, ban the use or production of paper or any writing utensil, sew the people's mouths shut and break all their fingers. That may enable the use of this style of Imperialism.

Or are you saying we take control of other countries by imposing our western culture upon them? Pretty sure they take our culture more than we impose it. I don't think spreading American Culture is a very smart move if you want to control someone.
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