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OMG! The Greatest President! 5 9.43%
Great President 4 7.55%
Meh. We'll see. 15 28.30%
Ahh, I envy the blissful stupor of your naivete ... 3 5.66%
Damn Socialists! 14 26.42%
God. Politics?? ULDUAR! 12 22.64%
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Old 04-14-2009, 09:43 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by ferigord View Post
If you made that graph, then you fail. You should never use raw numbers, they're misleading.

Oh but anyway, I'm not a huge fan with all of his ideas, and I hate how if you disagree with anything at all he does you're instantly labeled as a racist. Grats retarded country.
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Old 04-15-2009, 01:16 PM   #22
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Where's the graph of how many US citizens were held hostage by pirates, per president?

Honestly, look at unemployment rates in your own area of the country, and try to find a reasonable backing for the economic changes Obama and Co. are making to suggest that there is relief coming for them.
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Old 04-15-2009, 01:28 PM   #23
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Old 04-15-2009, 03:39 PM   #24
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On a side note, Obama's pirate kills are no where near as good as Jefferson or Madison. Both had actual wars against the Barbary Pirates in North Africa. They'd be laughing that Obama only killed 3

First Barbary War
Second Barbary War (while it doesn't list any dead pirates 500 captured pirates is nothing to sneeze at)

Of course, it is early in his four year term, he could attempt to rival
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Old 04-15-2009, 06:16 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by Ayania View Post
haha i like that aya. i really like the part where it says "federal tax dollars". kind of means they own it. should say "my goddamn money they take from me"

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PS. yep im a bitter white male, work 2 fulltime jobs to pay for school because i cant get financial aid yet some fat bitch sitting on the couch eating cheetos can smokes cigs and walk 2 feet to a mailbox to pick up a paycheck. should make her fatass lose weight by living on ramon noodles and peanut butter like i have before /endrant
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Old 04-15-2009, 06:48 PM   #26
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Why is anything different from conservatism called socialism? Try liberalism!
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Old 04-15-2009, 07:32 PM   #27
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I support the WIGS. Fuck your 2 party system.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:07 PM   #28
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Why is anything different from conservatism called socialism? Try liberalism!
Admittedly, the label hasn't always been accurate, however it does seem to parallel a lot of what is going on lately. On one hand, you have people legitimately paying their mortgages for their homes. On the other hand, it seems we're taxing the first group to make up the differences for the people who miscalculated and are in over their heads. I understand that there's a huge number of people who are in this position because of layoffs and whatnot, but I do not see the current fiscal policy as one that is going to help.

Oh, and Nota, do you mean the Whigs?
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:22 AM   #29
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:34 AM   #30
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I'll qoute my Historical Perspectives teacher

"US GOV=80%Capitalist+17%socialist(and growing!)+3%other".

Imagine 100% capitalist, eeek.
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:00 AM   #31
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Imagine 100% capitalist, eeek.
Darwinism at its finest, IMO.
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:12 AM   #32
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Don't let below average IQs reproduce, lots of problems solved.

And build Starships!! How many problems did you ever see on Star Trek.
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:37 AM   #33
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i wasnt bashing him persay. shits not been different in years, just a new face to put with it is all

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Old 04-16-2009, 08:21 AM   #34
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80% capitalist? I would love to see his definition of capitalist. I would argue the US has not been anywhere close to 80% capitalist since at least 1913 and probably a bit earlier. And even if you want to say that after the creation of the Fed the US was 80+% capitalist, I don't see how you're going to get that far post-FDR and his wonderful stretching of the Great Depression for 10+ years.

And Ogmuk, you know political terms are very different between the US and Europe. European liberals are not really American Democrats.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:18 AM   #35
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And Ogmuk, you know political terms are very different between the US and Europe. European liberals are not really American Democrats.
My wife (and I know others) have this misconception about the US Democratic party and US defined liberalism versus its classical meaning.

Classical Liberalism v American Liberalism

And while I'm posting links, one of my favorite sites is http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html (of which I often link). If you are American and have not read the US Constitution, you absolutely should (it isn't that long).

Personally, I consider myself a classical liberal (though I typically label myself conservative / libertarian). I strongly believe in limited/minimal government, a laizzez-faire government attitude towards private industry, and personal freedom.
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:34 PM   #36
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And Ogmuk, you know political terms are very different between the US and Europe. European liberals are not really American Democrats.
Correct, socialism has a very different meaning everywhere else as well. If the Democrats are socialists then I must live a communistic country. The Democrats are still right wing (on European scale), just 'less right' than Republicans.
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:30 PM   #37
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i would but then i would have to add in another option to balance it, like "Jesus 'Obama' Christ, Our Lord & Savior". i think it is safer to keep it to 2 pro, 2 neutral, 2 against. 2 good, 2 neutral, 2 evil.
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Old 04-16-2009, 02:58 PM   #38
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Old 04-17-2009, 02:04 AM   #39
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80% capitalist? I would love to see his definition of capitalist. I would argue the US has not been anywhere close to 80% capitalist since at least 1913 and probably a bit earlier.

His definition i think is the direct dictionary version or close, i think.

Also the whole democrat=Socalist, is really demo=/=soc, although i would have to take a keynesian view (economic view) towards the gov right now rather than a classical (regarded by most Repubs).
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Old 04-18-2009, 12:42 AM   #40
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Politics suck

I'm no Obama fan.
Nor am I a Bush fan.

Unfortunately, the most qualified people to run this country never will because of all the BS their lives and their family member's lives will have to endure. This is why we get 2 bit rookies who get elected because they are the media's darling, or they are put into office because of who they know or who they blow (someone's kid, someone who's connected, someone with an agenda or friends in high places... aka corrupt).


As long as alcohol and sex is not illegal,
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